How can I house brake an older "STUBBORN" dog.?


Female, spayed, 3 yrs old mixed breed large . She stays outside all day long and then Craps all over the floor within 2 minutes of coming inside. I have tried kenneling, rubbing her nose in it. I want her to be a house dog but I have been at this for 4 months now ! I have a 5 year old lab also and every once in a while he feels its OK to do it to !
She comes in to eat but poops as soon as she enters the house

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    3 Responses to “How can I house brake an older "STUBBORN" dog.?”

    1. Very General says:

      I agree with Moof’s take on housebreaking. The only thing different would be to use an exercise pen instead of a crate, or confine her to one room (maybe use baby gates in the kitchen) when not directly supervising. I feel it’s less stressful

    2. neworleansdeborah says:

      It’s not an ‘outside all day long’ thing. Every time she eats, she will need to poo within 30 minutes or so. Just make sure she is outside then, but you have to WATCH HER poo. Then you can praise her and let her back inside. But you have to make the effort to make sure that she does her business outside. I had a dog that was a rescue because nobody could housebreak him. I would feed him, and then walk him in my backyard with his leash on until he did his business and then praised him. Absolutely no negative reinforcement. Your dog has no idea why you are putting his nose in poo – so that simply will not work as a training method.

      Dogs can be house-broken, but every time you feed her and every time you give her water, she needs to be watched to be sure she does her business outside, then praise.

      This is what worked for me, eventually, I could just ask him to ‘do his business’ and he would do so, right on the spot, very handy for taking him on trips.

    3. moof says:

      "How can I house brake an older "STUBBORN" dog.?"
      – She isn’t being stubborn. She’s just doesn’t understand what you want because you’re being unclear and inconsistent. It might seem like you’re being crystal clear to you, but remember, she’s a dog!

      "She stays outside all day long and then Craps all over the floor within 2 minutes of coming inside."
      – When she’s outside all day, she can relieve herself wherever she wants. She isn’t learning "eliminate outside, don’t eliminate inside," she’s just learning to go if she has to go. She’s what Dr. Ian Dunbar would call an "indiscriminate eliminator." Here’s an excerpt from one of his articles:
      "’Why not just leave the puppy outdoors until he is housetrained?’
      Who is going to housetrain your pup outside — a shrub? If the dog is left outside unattended, he will become an indiscriminate eliminator. Basically, your puppy will learn to go wherever he wants, whenever he wants, and he will likely do the same whenever you let him indoors. Puppies left outdoors and unsupervised for long periods of time seldom become housetrained. Also, they tend to become indiscriminate barkers, chewers, diggers, and escapists, and they may be more easily stolen. Outdoor puppies also become so excited on the few occasions they are invited indoors that eventually they are no longer allowed inside at all."
      So quit leaving her outside all day, because she can’t learn not to relieve herself indoors if she hardly ever goes indoors.

      "I have tried kenneling"
      – And did you do it properly? When you crate train a dog, you need to supervise her closely at all times. Any time you can’t supervise her carefully, she goes in the crate (which should only be big enough for her to lay comfortably, stand up, turn around, etc.) for a little while. You need to bring her outside frequently so that she can relieve herself, and do not go back inside until she’s eliminated. If it’s been a very long time, bring her back indoors (she should be on a leash!) and immediately crate her, then try again in fifteen minutes. Reward her VERY heavily when she relieves herself outside. If she has an accidents, clean them up with an enzyme cleaner like Nature’s Miracle and slap yourself for letting her have that accident, because it was your fault. Here’s the article by Dunbar I referenced before; follow it closely and you should be successful:

      "rubbing her nose in it."
      – And why did you do that? That’s nasty, unhygienic and completely ineffective (as I assume you’ve gathered by now). It isn’t like one dog will punish another by sticking the dog’s face in feces; your dog has no idea what you’re trying to say when you do this. By the way, I also hope you aren’t doing this if any time has elapsed since she had the accident. Dogs live in the "now," so if literally more than two seconds passed since she defecated, then she won’t even associate your action with something that she did in the past. You need to take action immediately to mark the *current* action.

      "I want her to be a house dog but I have been at this for 4 months now !"
      – Four months isn’t very long when you’re being inconsistent and haven’t worked out a proper method. You need to do things properly and stick with it! You also need to keep in mind that you’re trying to undo several years’ worth of bad habit; it’s not going to be done in any short amount of time.

      EDIT: This is kinda irrelevant, but I just saw this in another answer: "Absolutely no negative reinforcement." I agree with that, but rubbing the dog’s nose in her mess isn’t "negative reinforcement," actually. Negative reinforcement is what occurs when a behavior is encouraged or strengthened because a negative stimulus is avoided or stopped because of the behavior. You’re taking away (hence the "negative") a bad thing to encourage (hence the "reinforcement) a behavior. For example, say your spouse constantly nags you to do something. You perform that desired action (like washing the dishes or fixing the car), and the nagging (which is the unpleasant stimulus) stops. The behavior (like washing the dishes or whatever) is strengthened due to the removal of the negative stimulus (like nagging). When you do something unpleasant to the dog to make her stop doing something, it’s called "positive punishment." This means that you add (hence the "positive") an unpleasant consequence to discourage (hence the "punishment") a behavior. For example, one of those awful electric shock fences is a form of positive punishment. The behavior (crossing a certain perimeter) is discouraged/weakened when the negative stimulus (a nasty shock) is applied.

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